{"id":2738,"date":"2011-09-14T18:36:00","date_gmt":"2011-09-15T01:36:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.functionalps.com\/blog\/?p=2738"},"modified":"2011-09-14T18:56:57","modified_gmt":"2011-09-15T01:56:57","slug":"desiccated-thyroid-in-the-management-of-hypothyroidism-part-i-ii-iii","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.functionalps.com\/blog\/2011\/09\/14\/desiccated-thyroid-in-the-management-of-hypothyroidism-part-i-ii-iii\/","title":{"rendered":"Desiccated thyroid in the management of hypothyroidism: Part I, II, III"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>-A three-part article portraying the typical idiotic thought process of the classically trained endocrinologist.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>all parts <strong>by                                  Thomas\u00a0Repas<\/strong>, DO, FACP, FACE, CDE                                 \u00a0January 2009<\/p>\n<p><strong>Desiccated thyroid in the management of hypothyroidism: Part I<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Before I go any further, I must disclose: I do not use desiccated  thyroid (Armour Thyroid, Forest Laboratories Inc.) in the management of  hypothyroidism. Like most of my endocrinologist peers, I believe that  desiccated thyroid is antiquated therapy and should no longer be used.  Guidelines published by the American Association of Clinical  Endocrinologists and other major endocrinology professional  organizations support this position.<\/p>\n<p>However, I am frequently asked by my patients about desiccated  thyroid. Some of them tell me that a family member, friend, alternative  care practitioner or other acquaintance has told them they do not  \u201cbelieve\u201d in levothyroxine and advised them to be switched. This, along  with several negative comments by patients on this blog about  levothyroxine, is why I chose to write about this issue in detail now.<\/p>\n<p>Desiccated thyroid is made from dried and powdered animal thyroid  gland, a by-product of domesticated animals raised for the meat  industry. For many years in the past, it had been successfully used in  the management of hypothyroidism. However, once levothyroxine became  available, desiccated thyroid fell out of favor. Recently, there has  been resurgence in the use of desiccated thyroid as alternative medicine  practitioners have proclaimed the benefits of natural over synthetic  thyroid hormone preparations.<\/p>\n<p>So why do I and most other endocrinologists refuse to use desiccated thyroid?<\/p>\n<p>There are a number of reasons. First and foremost, desiccated thyroid  preparations have an unacceptable level of variability batch to batch,  often resulting in unacceptable variation in thyroid-stimulating  hormone. The current USP standards specify that the amounts of  levothyroxine and liothyronine in each 65 mg of desiccated thyroid  should be 38 mcg and 9 mcg; however, the actual amounts vary  considerably. According to the American Society of Health-System  Pharmacists \u201cBig Red Book,\u201d the mean concentrations of levothyroxine and  liothyronine in each 60 mg of desiccated thyroid ranged from 8.8 mcg to  59 mcg and 7.9 mcg to 18 mcg, respectively.<\/p>\n<p>Part of the problem is that many manufacturers have used iodine  content rather than actual thyroid hormone to standardize their  preparations. Some manufacturers (ie, Armour Thyroid) perform bioassays  to maximize batch-to-batch reproducibility. However, as noted above, the  range of levothyroxine and liothyronine can vary considerably, even in  products standardized by bioassay instead of iodine content.<\/p>\n<p>I and many endocrinologists are concerned when the brand of  levothyroxine is switched without our knowledge to other brands or from  brand to generic. Whenever a patient must be switched from one  levothyroxine product to another, we always recheck the TSH in several  weeks to confirm the dose remains optimal. Even as little as a 10%  difference between similarly labeled levothyroxine products can result  in large variation in clinical response as measured by TSH. When  managing my patients on levothyroxine, sometimes I change the dose by as  little as an extra half pill more or less per week<\/p>\n<p>If we consider slight variation between various levothyroxine  products to be clinically important, then the much larger variation  within desiccated thyroid preparations is unacceptable.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Desiccated thyroid in the management of hypothyroidism: Part II<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Most board-certified endocrinologists avoid desiccated thyroid in the management of hypothyroidism for additional reasons.<\/p>\n<p>Desiccated thyroid preparations contain an approximately 4:1 ratio of  thyroxine (T4) to triiodothyronine (T3), whereas the normal human  thyroid has of a ratio of 11:1. These preparations result in  supraphysiologic levels of T3 in the two to four hours after ingestion.  This is due to the rapid release of T3 from thyroglobulin and the  immediate almost complete absorption of T3.<\/p>\n<p>In my own practice, I have seen numerous individuals referred to me  on desiccated thyroid with fully suppressed thyroid-stimulating hormone.  This is because the dose was titrated based on symptoms or clinical  findings rather than biochemical assays. Some have had anxiety,  insomnia, tremulousness, heat intolerance and other symptoms clearly due  to iatrogenic hyperthyroidism. The long-term consequences of  hyperthyroidism are not benign. Nevertheless, many have absolutely  refused to allow me to decrease their dose, despite my concerns.<\/p>\n<p>With hormone therapy, just as too little is unacceptable, too much is also unacceptable. More is not always better.<\/p>\n<p>Some alternative care practitioners claim that standardized  laboratory testing is unreliable. They use other methods to justify  their approach such as basal body temperature measurement, testing of  tendon reflexes and how the patient generally feels subjectively.<\/p>\n<p>Although thyroid hormone certainly has effects on metabolism, in  order for there to be a consistently measurable increase in body  temperature, many patients must be rendered hyperthyroid. There are many  other factors that affect basal body temperature, not only the thyroid.  In addition, there is wide intra-individual variation in body  temperature. Body temperature varies depending on time of day and how it  is measured. \u201cNormal\u201d body temperature should not be defined as 98.6\u00ba F  \u00b1 0\u00ba, just as we do not define \u201cnormal\u201d TSH as exactly 1.00 mIU\/L.  Normal is a range, not a single value. Using basal body temperature to  modify the dose of thyroid HT is imprecise and not supported by the  scientific evidence. It is the same with measurement of reflexes and  other non-specific clinical findings.<\/p>\n<p>Regarding symptoms and the subjective feeling of wellness, that is  problematic. My goal is not only to prevent and treat disease, but for  all of my patients to feel better on whatever therapy we have chosen.  The problem here is that there are innumerable reasons to feel poorly,  often with identical symptoms to hypothyroidism, and yet not due to  thyroid dysfunction.<\/p>\n<p>Too many times have I seen other medical diagnoses missed, because  every symptom a patient had was attributed to their thyroid and no  further evaluation was done. It is easier and less time consuming to  write a prescription than it is to think, ask questions and most  important of all \u2026 to listen.<\/p>\n<p>Sometimes we need to tell patients what they need to hear, even if it  is not what they would like to hear. This should be done as kindly and  tactfully as possible, but it must be done nonetheless.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Desiccated thyroid in the management of hypothyroidism: Part III<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Most people would not dream of directing a cardiologist how to  perform cardiopulmonary resuscitation during a cardiac arrest. They also  would not come in to see the surgeon with a specific outline on how to  do the procedure. Most would decline to have their surgery done in the  same way and with the same techniques as in the 1970s. Despite this,  many intelligent, otherwise reasonable people have no hesitation trying  to \u201cteach\u201d me about the thyroid. Many of these same people also request  to have their thyroid disorder managed similar to how we did decades  ago.<\/p>\n<p>Why is this?<\/p>\n<p>There are several reasons. For one, despite the advances made in  technology, scientific knowledge and outcomes over recent decades,  modern medicine has failed many patients from a humanistic perspective.  It is not too much to expect for questions to be answered and treatment  options explained. Everyone desires to be listened to and heard. There  is nothing more discouraging than when one\u2019s symptoms are ignored. I  have witnessed this myself when I and family members have been patients.  It is extremely frustrating. Not surprisingly, some pursue alternative  options.<\/p>\n<p>Some believe in a more natural approach towards health. Their goal is  to minimize the synthetic, processed and man-made. I actually  understand this philosophy very well. My family and I grow a large  portion of our vegetables organically. We enjoy the sense of connection  with the land and the seasons. We take pride in knowing that we  participated in the sustainable production of our food. If someone  presented to us a well-crafted, scientifically valid argument as to why  there is no benefit to organic vs. conventional gardening, we would  smile, nod and keep doing what we are doing. We garden organically as  much on philosophical grounds as any other reason.<\/p>\n<p>For me to argue for patients to change someone\u2019s belief system based  on science is equivalent to attempting to convince them to change their  religion or political party on the same grounds. It would be futile as  well as absolutely inappropriate.<\/p>\n<p>Health care is different, however, because there is the potential for  harm as well as benefit. I am obliged to inform my patients about the  positive as well as negative potential consequences of one option over  another. This is true no matter if we are discussing alternative vs.  more mainstream therapies. However, I realize that I am only one advisor  among many. My duty is to provide the most accurate information  possible. Patients are free to choose for themselves how they would like  to proceed.<\/p>\n<p>Finally, last week I saw a woman who had been on desiccated thyroid  for decades. I explained that we now prefer levothyroxine instead of  desiccated thyroid. I also quickly pointed out that her  thyroid-stimulating hormone has been perfect, between 0.7 mIU\/L and 1.0  mIU\/L over the last several years. She had no symptoms; it was difficult  for me to argue with success. After discussing and asking her what she  wanted to do, she left my office still on desiccated thyroid.<\/p>\n<p>Comment by Tom Repas DO FACP FACE CDE \u2014 June 12, 2009 12:24 PM<\/p>\n<p>Hello all \u2013 I continue to read the comments posted on this and related threads.<\/p>\n<p>I appreciate everyone sharing their insights and experiences. I  haven\u2019t responded to every single posted comment because the sheer  volume makes it impossible.<\/p>\n<p>I also get the impression that no matter what else I might add, it would be futile and encourage only further attacks.<\/p>\n<p>I confess to purposely choosing a subject which many are passionate about \u2014 and which many of my peers avoid discussing at all.<\/p>\n<p>However, if we take our respective positions, dig our heels in and  never talk to those with differing opinions, how will medical care ever  progress and improve?<\/p>\n<p>Rather than avoiding talking about such topics, I usually prefer to  meet them head on and encourage \u2014 not discourage \u2014 conversation. I\u2019ll do  that even if I know that everyone does not agree with me. I could have  written about something or taken a position that everyone agrees with \u2014  but that would have been too easy.<\/p>\n<p>Several endocrinologist colleagues have told me I\u2019m crazy for writing  about such a sensitive issue and in a way that I know would be sure to  make me a target.<\/p>\n<p>They are probably correct \u2014 but then I\u2019ve never been known to be one  who takes the easiest route, simply because is it easy. Don\u2019t forget, I  run ultramarathons in my spare time because marathons are \u201ctoo easy.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>We might not agree on many things but I appreciate everyone sharing  their thoughts, opinions and experiences. It actually has helped me in  discussing this issue with patients in my own practice.<\/p>\n<p>You have been heard \u2014 loud and clear.<\/p>\n<p>Thank you all again for commenting.<\/p>\n<p>(Please DO NOT accuse me of being patronizing \u2014 I sincerely do appreciate your comments, even if they differ from my own).<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.endocrinetoday.com\/comments.aspx?rid=35717\" target=\"_blank\">http:\/\/www.endocrinetoday.com\/comments.aspx?rid=35717<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<\/p>\n<p>Reader comments regarding this article. A tragic thing is happen to patients nowadays.<\/p>\n<table id=\"ctl00_ContentPlaceHolder1_CommentsGridView\" border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td>Comment by Micki Jacobs &#8212;                              March 20, 2009 05:39 AM&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>see: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thyroidscience.com\/Criticism\/lowe.3.16.09\/lowe.bta.rebuttal.3.16.09.pdf\">http:\/\/www.thyroidscience.com\/Criticism\/lowe.3.16.09\/lowe.bta.rebuttal.3.16.09.pdf<\/a><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.endocrinetoday.com\/images\/articleSeparator.gif\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" vspace=\"10\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Comment by Leah &#8212;                              February 1, 2009 01:32 PM&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve an idea, I have a friend who is very  good mechanically, why don&#8217;t I get him to make a TSH measuring machine,  then patients can just put their arm in, the blood test can be taken,  and the levothyroxine script could be automatically be printed out!!   Why has nobody thought of this before??<\/p>\n<p>And by the way &#8211; why is using TSH less abitrary than using basal temperature measurement combined with symptoms?<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.endocrinetoday.com\/images\/articleSeparator.gif\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" vspace=\"10\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Comment by rcp &#8212;                              January 30, 2009 11:53 PM&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>(a) Yes, there are some hypothyroid patients  with pituitary, adrenal, and other more complex factors, but (b) the  vast majority of hypothyroid patients, in my clinical experience, are  not that complicated and do better by adding even as little as 5 mcg of  triiodothyronine [T3].<\/p>\n<p>To set this up as science\/ Synthroid  versus non-science\/ Dessicated Thyroid argument is to set up a false  argument. For the vast majority of patients, in my clinical experience,  it is not &#8220;rocket science&#8221; to measure the Free T3 as well as the Free T4  and TSH  and then to (a) keep both FT3 and FT4 in the upper half of the  lab&#8217;s &#8220;normal&#8221; range while (b) keeping the TSH above the rock-bottom  level of the lab&#8217;s range. It also helps, while starting treatment, to  get the patient physically active. As another blog entry noted, it is  not that complicated to split the dose if an occasional patient does  better in that manner. In my clinical experience it is very unusual for a  patient so treated to become hyperthyroid or to feel jittery, etc; that  is just a &#8220;straw man&#8221; argument. Of course it helps if patient and  physician actually communicate with each other on a regular basis [I  have seen patients coming in with a 1-year supply of Synthroid  without  any lab tests in recent memory  and that approach does not exactly  reflect any real communication between two people who are working  together, trying to solve a problem.]<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.endocrinetoday.com\/images\/articleSeparator.gif\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" vspace=\"10\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Comment by E &#8212;                              January 28, 2009 06:39 PM&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIn my own practice, I have seen numerous  individuals referred to me on desiccated thyroid with fully suppressed  thyroid-stimulating hormone\u2026..Nevertheless, many have absolutely refused  to allow me to decrease their dose, despite my concerns.\u201d  I wonder  what would happen if you said decreasing their dose would trigger weight  loss.  I\u2019m serious and think a study of that nature would be beneficial  to perhaps bring forth the true motive behind the desire to obtain and  maintain such a physical state.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSome alternative care  practitioners claim that standardized laboratory testing is unreliable.\u201d   That\u2019s because they usually don\u2019t qualify to get the license required  to be able to order such laboratory testing in the first place.  Same  goes for scans, etc.  Amazing what a lack of making the grade will do to  a mind.  &#8230;Kidding aside, this is one particular area where things  cross over from the trivial to the serious.  What if a thyroid diagnosis  gets missed?  I have seen it happen (I met a woman who describes  herself as \u2018lucky to be alive\u2019 after getting caught up in a stint with  one of these yahoos that turned out to be thyroid cancer).<\/p>\n<p>As a  real patient with real thyroid disease, who interacts with others of the  same, I think I can safely speak for many of us in that group by  saying:  We are not paying insurance premiums, co-pays and cash toward  our thyroid disease to have a doctor treat us primarily on how we&#8221;re  &#8221;feeling.&#8221;  We&#8217;re paying all that to have them treat us primarily on  how we&#8217;re &#8221;doing!&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.endocrinetoday.com\/images\/articleSeparator.gif\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" vspace=\"10\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Comment by Lily &#8212;                              January 28, 2009 02:58 PM&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Thank God I have always had doctors who were  smart enough to prescribe Armour Thyroid. I feel so sorry for your  suffering patients.<\/p>\n<p>Low TSH alone does not equal hyperthyroid in people being treated with supplemental hormones.<\/p>\n<p>None of my friends on Armour are being kept in a hyperthyroid state. Instead their doctor monitors their symptoms. Imagine that!<\/p>\n<p>You  remind me of the doctors who promoted lobotomies as a great medical  breakthrough for patients with mental illness. So sure of your medical  wisdom, oblivious to the suffering you cause.<\/p>\n<p>As a Public Health  professional, with degrees in patient education, I can say that the  current under treatment and mistreatment of thyroid patients has reached  epidemic proportions.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.endocrinetoday.com\/images\/articleSeparator.gif\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" vspace=\"10\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Comment by Upset &#8212;                              January 9, 2009 07:42 PM&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Can you explain to me why someone with a  normal TSH and taking Synthroid still feels horrible? Do you just  dismiss them as mental cases? When someone who has a TSH of say .01  feels great on dessicated thyroid?<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.endocrinetoday.com\/images\/articleSeparator.gif\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" vspace=\"10\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Comment by So sad &#8212;                              January 9, 2009 09:51 AM&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Its pretty sad that patients know more than their doctors about thyroid disease.<\/p>\n<p>Why do our thyroids make so many hormones if we only need t4?<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.endocrinetoday.com\/images\/articleSeparator.gif\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" vspace=\"10\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Comment by D.B. &#8212;                              January 9, 2009 01:30 AM&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Dr. Repas,<br \/>\nDon&#8217;t you think this illustrates how little the medical community  understands in regards to treating the thyroid?  Obviously dosing by the  TSH isn&#8217;t working because patients are suffering and not being  diagnosed properly. I recently had a doctor claim that I was  hyperthyroid because all she looked at was the TSH, which was 0.01. (No I  am not taking any thyroid medications). She immediately diagnosed me as  on the verge of becoming hyper without any further testing! However  going with my gut (and my other pituitary problem-diabetes insipidus), I  opted for more testing. I am now finding that it is likely secondary  HYPOthyroid.  She had put so much emphasis on the TSH that she had  misdiagnosed me big time! Even with my history, she did not see my  concern with the TSH being a pituitary problem whatsoever.  Rather than  talking to the patient and getting the free T3 and free T4 checked, she  went by what the TSH told her.  You claim that doctors are listening,  but they are not. I had to go to a naturopathic doctor to get the other  testing done.  Something is seriously wrong with that.<\/p>\n<p>You said  that a lot of patients have undiagnosed conditions. I agree with you  there.  There is likely more than just a thyroid problem. However, let&#8217;s  not forget that conventional medicine doesn&#8217;t even acknowledge  conditions like adrenal fatigue, heavy metal poisoning (from dental  amalgams) and estrogen dominance (from plastics and commercially raised  meats) to name a few.  It is hard to get people better when you don&#8217;t  believe conditions exist.  That is why more and more people are opting  for alternative doctors and treatments. Conventional medicine has  repeatedly burned the very patients they were supposed to help. It  should be no surprise we&#8217;ve given up trying to listen to doctors, when  the doctors (and big organizations in charge) themselves won&#8217;t listen.   It goes both ways, sir.<\/p>\n<p>Dare I say, you are in need of a paradigm  shift, Dr. Repas. Bear with me for a second with this analogy. Let&#8217;s  say for a moment, we are all looking at the hourglass\/faces optical  illusion and we (the patients) can see both pictures. Meanwhile you  (majority of doctors) can only see the hourglass. You (majority of  doctors) continue to tell us there aren&#8217;t any faces in the picture.  The  problem here is that you have all the big endo\/thyroid organizations  agreeing with you proclaiming there isn&#8217;t a face in this picture (when  there clearly is one).  Thankfully there is a small minority of doctors  who can see the faces AND the hourglass.  The doctors prescribing armour  and dosing by symptoms are the ones who can see both in the picture.  Who is right and who is wrong?  Obviously neither is right or wrong, but  the doctors who can see both pictures are looking at this much  differently than you.  Maybe you should take another look at the  picture&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.endocrinetoday.com\/images\/articleSeparator.gif\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" vspace=\"10\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Comment by Darla &#8212;                              January 8, 2009 04:22 PM&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>You and various other doctors are overlooking the obvious. Like low ferritin and adrenal fatigue.<\/p>\n<p>I  took Synthroid for 20 years. I developed carpal tunel and plantar  fasciitis. It got to where I couldn&#8217;t climb stairs from muscle weakness.  I had developed a stutter and brain fog so bad that I was to be tested  for Alzheimer&#8217;s at 45.<\/p>\n<p>My TSH was anywhere between 3.5 and 14. My Free T4 was above range and my Free T3 way below.<\/p>\n<p>But  after just one month of desiccated thyroid and a low dose cortisol  replacement these symptoms quickly started to go away. Since I have  reached an optimal dose of desiccated thyroid symptoms are completely  gone.<\/p>\n<p>TSH is completely suppressed. My Free T3 is  now towards  the top of the range and Free T4 is a little below that. My blood  pressure, pulse, cholesterol and other labs are perfect.<\/p>\n<p>I wish  more doctors would treat hypothyroidism with desiccated thyroid and pay  closer attention to cortisol and ferrtin. Maybe some one else wouldn&#8217;t  have to waste 20 years looking for an answer. Then you wouldn&#8217;t have to  tell patients what they &#8220;need&#8221; to hear. It really isn&#8217;t that hard.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.endocrinetoday.com\/images\/articleSeparator.gif\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" vspace=\"10\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Comment by Julie Sue &#8212;                              January 8, 2009 03:11 PM&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>As with most doctors and especially endocrinologist you are missing the point.<\/p>\n<p>Get  off the TSH train and you may be able to actually practice medicine.   What happened to \u201cdo no harm\u201d.  Using TSH and Synthroid is killing us  and is certainly doing us harm.  Wasn\u2019t the intent of practicing  medicine to help people, to stop suffering because you sure aren\u2019t doing  that?  By continuing with the  \u201ccompany line\u201d you are doing harm.   Might I remind you that TSH is a pituitary hormone not a thyroid  hormone.  That\u2019s like testing your ankles to see how you knee is doing.   Give me a break.  This practice and that\u2019s what you\u2019re doing is  practicing on us, is destroying lives.  People have lost everything,  marriages, jobs, homes etc because of their inability to work because of  this way of practicing medicine.<\/p>\n<p>You are TSH obsessed like 99%  of the doctors in this country.  What happened to signs and symptoms and  how a person felt?  The way they used to doctor before the might TSH  test was invented.  Try treating someone by symptoms, it\u2019s not that  difficult.  Perhaps you need some further education in this matter.   Might I suggest Dr. Broda Barnes, the father of thyroid treatment.  You  could certainly learn something from him.<\/p>\n<p>I agree with the other  posters with regard to adrenal support.  Open your eyes!!!  Did you not  learn that one needs excellent working adrenals to be able to tolerate  thyroid medications.  I direct you to an article from John Hopkins  University (Adrenal Insufficiency \u2013 Grand Rounds) that clears states NO  thyroid treatment should be started unless adrenal stability is  established.  Even in the literature that comes with ones Synthroid  prescription, it states it is not to be used with adrenal insufficiency.   Before you jump on this by saying, \u201cthey are referring to Addisons  Disease\u201d please be aware that it does NOT state Addisons Disease.    Adrenal Insufficiency comes in all kind of forms, from fatigued and  exhausted adrenals due to years of stress, especially stress from lousy  thyroid treatement all the way to Secondary Adrenal Insufficiency.  If  the general public can figure this out why can\u2019t you \u201cprofessionals\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>There  are thousands of thyroid patients who will not sit idly by any longer.   We will not give you our business until you learn how to treat us  properly.  Use the proper testing (Free T3, Free T4, Thyroid Antibodies,  Reverse T3, Cortisol, Aldosterone, DHEA etc) and then we\u2019ll continue to  LET you help us.  Since it seems that many doctors are driven by the  might dollar please remember YOU WORK FOR US, not the other way around.   We have fired many a doctor and will continue to do so until you learn  how to work for us in the proper manner.<\/p>\n<p>Stop torturing us with  your subpar treatment and then blaming us because we must \u201cbe depressed\u201d  or because we have \u201chigh anxiety\u201d.  Yes, we have high anxiety because  you people are not listening.  This is for you to solve not for us but  luckily for some of us we have.  We have gotten our lives back in spite  of you.  Yes, it\u2019s true\u2026proper testing and proper treatment of adrenals  and thyroid with desiccated thyroid actually allows people to have jobs,  marriage that aren\u2019t strained by illness and fully functioning lives.<\/p>\n<p>As  I\u2019m sure this and other posts will be deleted, heaven forbid someone  contradict you, perhaps the folks doing the deleting would at least have  the decency to print out our suggestion, comments and complaints.  It  never hurts to learn something new.  Your patients seem to be able to do  it everyday.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.endocrinetoday.com\/images\/articleSeparator.gif\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" vspace=\"10\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Comment by Maria &#8212;                              January 8, 2009 02:53 PM&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>I must say that your letter is very upsetting  to me. But I am glad that I ran across it. As a hypothyroid patient  myself I understand this disorder better than anyone, I live it every  single day. I was told by a dozen doctors that I need antidepressants  and that I was a hypochondriac (by many Endocrinologists) because my TSH  level was normal and all blood tests were normal. Once I did find a  good doctor, not an endocrinologist, but a regular MD who believed that  my symptoms were real and not just in my head, then I was put on Armour  thyroid. I got very sick on the Armour thyroid at first, so I had to  quit it and the doctor told me about a great book called &#8220;Safe uses of  Cortisol&#8221; by Dr. Jefferies and asked me if I would be willing to try  cortisol, and I said YES, he then put me on a low, safe dose of  cortisol, turns out I had very low cortisol levels (within range) but  still very low. Once I got my adrenals working properly on cortisol  (after a few weeks) then I was able to handle the Armour thyroid and  thank GOD I did! Armour thyroid and cortisol saved me from a life of  misery. 15 years I lived a life of misery and nobody could help me. Now  others that I know have made the switch from Synthroid to Armour with  AMAZING results. My friends and family now have their lives back, life  is worth living once again. Armour is amazing, and if it doesn&#8217;t work  then don&#8217;t give up, try cortisol first, and try lowering the dose of  Armour. I started out on very small doses of Armour. Like 1\/4 grain for  many weeks, and then raised by 1\/4 grain every few weeks, very slowly,  once I felt better I stopped raising and it took 3 grains to feel  better. Now life is great and completely worth living again, I got my  energy back and I can focus and I have no complaints now, my husband is  in heaven having his old wife back again and I am a better mother for  it!  So many people are not completely symptom free on Synthroid, but  millions are symptom free on Armour, like me  you just have to know how  to use it properly. Armour saved my life!!<br \/>\nGod Bless!<br \/>\nVirginia, USA<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.endocrinetoday.com\/images\/articleSeparator.gif\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" vspace=\"10\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Comment by Valerie Taylor &#8212;                              January 7, 2009 06:38 PM&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>You say there are many things that affect the  body temperature, what are they? I am sorry but I was in Synthroid for  25 long miserable uears with an &#8220;in range&#8221; TSH and I was dying of  Myxedemaa from LOW T3. Many hypothyroid patients do not convert well and  NEED the higher T3 in Armour Thyriod. Why did it work so well for 100  years without problems until the MIGHTY TSH lab and Synthroid were  produced? That hyperthyroid symptoms you are talking about is due to  adrenals being too weak and the HPA being downregulated due to  hypothyroidism not being diagnosed in a timely manner due to poor  testing such as the TSH lab is. Please come into the 21st century with  thyroid treatment!<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.endocrinetoday.com\/images\/articleSeparator.gif\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" vspace=\"10\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Comment by Janie &#8212;                              January 7, 2009 06:25 PM&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>You have continued to miss some important  information about the dosing and treatment of desiccated thyroid in  reference to the 4:1 ratio of T4 to T3. Namely, wise doctors have their  patients multi-dose desiccated thyroid, which means that 2 hour peak is  not as severe as you describe it.<\/p>\n<p>Second, the symptoms of &#8220;anxiety, insomnia, tremulousness, heat  intolerance&#8221; are due to adrenal fatigue, not &#8220;iatrogenic  hyperthyroidism&#8221; from a suppressed TSH. Adrenal fatigue is the result of  too many years of undiagnosis from the lousy TSH lab test (which can be  normal for years before it rises high enough to reveal the patient&#8217;s  hypothyroidism) or from undertreatment on the lousy T4-only thyroxine  medications (which leaves the vast majority of patients with their own  degree of lingering hypothyroid symptoms). As a result of either of the  above, the patient&#8217;s adrenals have been kicking in, and kicking in again  to support the patient. And over time, the adrenals become fatigued  with its low cortisol. And since cortisol is needed to transport thyroid  hormones from the blood to the cells, these patients are wrongly  dismissed as having &#8220;iatrogenic hyperthyroidism because of a suppressed  TSH&#8221;. Instead, they are having pooled thyroid hormones in the blood not  making it to the cells, and thus the above symptoms.<\/p>\n<p>And to call  it problematic to regard &#8220;symptoms and the subjective feeling of  wellness&#8221; is exactly why patients all over the world are running from  doctors who say that. What has been truly &#8220;problematic&#8221; are the years  and years of hundreds of millions of patients who came into their  doctors offices with problems of depression, poor stamina, easy fatigue,  rising cholesterol, rising blood pressure, thinning hair, feeling  cold..and a myriad of other clear hypothyroid symptoms while undiagnosed  because of the TSH, or on thyroxine, and the doctor pronounced them  &#8220;normal&#8221; simply because the dubious TSH range said so. THAT is  problematic.<\/p>\n<p>You betcha there are innumerable reasons to feel  poorly. But doctors have routinely failed patients for five decades in  their belief that Thyroxine was adequately treating patients (it hasn&#8217;t  been) or that the TSH was diagnosing them soon enough (it hasn&#8217;t been)  or that staying in the TSH range was resulting in euthyroidism (it  hasn&#8217;t).<\/p>\n<p>Sometimes patients need to tell doctors what they need  to hear, even if it isn&#8217;t what they want to hear. Are you going to  listen?<\/p>\n<p>Janie<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>-A three-part article portraying the typical idiotic thought process of the classically trained endocrinologist. all parts by Thomas\u00a0Repas, DO, FACP, FACE, CDE \u00a0January 2009 Desiccated thyroid in the management of hypothyroidism: Part I Before I go any further, I must disclose: I do not use desiccated thyroid (Armour Thyroid, Forest Laboratories Inc.) in the management [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[605,615,591,590,596,637,441,440,142,589],"class_list":["post-2738","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-general","tag-armour","tag-basal-temperature","tag-broda-barnes","tag-desiccated-thyroid","tag-hypothyroidism","tag-synthetic-thyroid","tag-t3","tag-t4","tag-thyroid","tag-tsh"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.functionalps.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2738","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.functionalps.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.functionalps.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.functionalps.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.functionalps.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2738"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/www.functionalps.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2738\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2740,"href":"https:\/\/www.functionalps.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2738\/revisions\/2740"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.functionalps.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2738"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.functionalps.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2738"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.functionalps.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2738"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}